Stopping power in a handgun cartridge is measured in numerous ways. A charging grizzly bear can reach speeds of 35 mph an hour for short distances and their acceleration rate is phenomenal. However, as far as stopping power on even the largest grizzly bear, it delivers enough energy to get the job done. Yes, a 44 Magnum is capable of killing a bear, although it is not recommended as a bear defense arms. There are some books out on bear attacks as well. Ruger just took a Super Redhawk and cut the barrel even with the frame extension. Buffalo Bore produces several loads for the .50 Alaskan, including a 450-grain bullet that delivers a whopping 4,400 ft.-lbs. TWO OR FOUR LEGS , SLITHERS OR SWIMS( ATTACKED BY SHARKS ONCE, HAD .223 BANG STICK THANK YOU VERY MUCH, END OF SHARK AND ATTACK) BE PREPARED. Thats a cool chest rig. Timothy Treadwell and his girlfriend Amie Huguenard were killed in an unprovoked grizzly attack in Alaska on October 6th, 2003. But I can count em well enough to know it was a lot more than the tiny sample of 29 that he cherry-picked to scare you. Honestly cant remember ever having an issue taking grizz with a 44 mag (Ruger super Blackhawk) . Large caliber handgun ammunition is expensive. 357 Mag, and says, when it comes to handguns and bears, what matters is getting the most hits on target in the shortest amount of time. Comparatively, the 44-magnum ammunition I prefer to carry for bear defense is much cheaper than some. They routinely feed on the gut piles of hunter-killed elk and, along with their cousins Alaska brown bears, are known to try to claim carcasses from hunters. Dean made a claim and provided evidence, then you made a claim and provided none, and when asked to provide evidence you refused and essentially said it was up to Dean to disprove your claim, which is not an intellectually honest way of aproaching a discussion. Hence common sense is applied to protect ones self. 44 Mag Ammo for Bear: Protect Yourself in the Wild Im comfortable carrying the .38, with better bullets, where I hunt. Cause theyd be weaponless from the a _ _ rape theyd get coming through Canada. Dont know if anyone else remembers his encounter in Alaska with a grizzthat had been following him and a guide in a bad storm. Nelson continues to teach a bear defense course in Alaska, instructing geologists and representatives from other government agencies how to operate a wide variety of firearms platforms in a bear defense situation. Your drugs. All with hard cast bullets. So be sure to keep an eye on the animal until it is definitely dead. of energy, and it takes a big grizzly to weigh 1,000 pounds. Will a 44 Magnum stop a grizzly bear? I carry both, with bear spray on my left side and a .44 on my right, so IF the bear spray fails Im not completely f-ed. Get a closer look at the Smith & Wesson Model 350, the latest addition to our #SundayGunday series. But I do know this. Likely been in a group home since his folks could no longer care for him. Available in shorter versions like the Smith & Wesson 629 with 4-inch barrel, the .44 Mag. 1. Among other things, I subscribed to Alaska Magazine for about twenty years, beginning in 1975, and Backpacker Magazine from the same year, but until the early 2000s, when its subscription subcontractor made it way more trouble than it was worth anymore, and subscribed to Outside magazine for many years, along with Backpackinglight.com. 5. I could eat a can of alphabet soup and shit out a smarter statement than what you posted !!! The first was simply a test to see how far it would spray. Depends on what type of bear. Using any handgun is near suicide. Such senseless killing. I have watched ballistic videos from a FBI training video in shot placement. Among firearms platforms, a rifle delivers more energy and is effective to greater distances, making it the first choice. Admit that you were wrong and apologize. There is no doubt in my mind that the .44 magnum cartridge is a viable choice as a bear defense gun. An Expert's Guide on How to Stay Alive in Grizzly Bear Country The bears run in and out of the visual field of the video camera. At that distance, a shooter has roughly four seconds to make a charge-stopping shot, which requires a steady hand under intense pressure. DO NOT SEE THE MTN LIONS MUCH BUT THEY ARE OUT THERE AS SEE THE TRACKS AND A GLANCE OUT THE WINDOW ONCE IN A WHILE. CRIME AND WILD ANIMALS LIKE WHEEL OF FORTUNE SPIN, NEVER KNOW WHEN IT WILL STOP ON YOUR NUMBER. Heres an excerpt. Consider that at full speed, a grizzly can cover 50 yards in less than 4.5 seconds. I see youre suddenly changing from Jesse Pinkman language to an exact imitation of Donald Trump-tweet language.Why? Always remember to check local regulations when traveling in bear country. Bear will win every time. He had a long explanation for why this happens, which I boiled down to two sentences above. LAST TIME CALLED BUFFALO BORE GOT THE OWNER AND MUCH TALK AND HELP ON CARBINE AND PISTOL ROUNDS NEEDED FOR A SITUATION SINCE I AM ARMED ESCORT FOR LIVING. In this blog post, well discuss the importance of having 44 mag ammo for bear protection, and well give you some tips on how to use it effectively. After all your names not Hank. Thankfully he decided to scale the cliff because it was a good 20 seconds or more before I could undo the straps to my rifle and get it pointed in his direction. The full account is worth reading for anyone interested in the dynamics of bear attacks and the effectiveness of pistols for defense against bears. 10mm vs 44 mag for bear defense - YouTube Aim for the head or heart if possible. The 44-magnum pistol that I occasionally shoot is a Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan model. .44 Magnum Bear Penetration Test! Can a Desert Eagle stop a Bear I had no expectation that the pistol would kill the bear. NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE BEARS CLOSE TO CABIN EATING BERRIES OR GETTING A DRINK. Its chambered in nearly every major manufacturers rifle and has a plethora of ammunition choices as well. You have avoided your burden of proof, and I have a problem with that. My hunting friend swears by his Ruger Red Hawk Alaskan. WHEN FURTHER A FIELD ALSO CARRY MARLIN SS 1895 LEVER WITH BUFFALO BORE RECOMMENDED ROUND IN 45-70. Its important to remember, however, that 44 mag ammo is not a magic bullet. However, using a more powerful cartridge such as the .44 Magnum is recommended to ensure quick and humane kills. There was no time for the careful placement of the front sight, as the bear was nearly upon him. . In 1984, Winchester began to produce rifles chambered for cartridge, legitimizing Waters dream, and establishing it as a commercial cartridge. Because so many hunters got bowled over, mauled,and prevented from shooting straight when they tried to shoot from underneath a grizz with long-barreled handguns. And you actually said this:handguns are the best. But while our hands were fresh we shot the revolver first. Ultimately, it is important to choose a round that you are comfortable shooting and that provides the best chance of stopping an attacking bear. Now how many other domestic animals such as pets have been taken, is anyones guess. TTAG has lots of writers who are smarter than him when it comes to the woods and guns. It wasnt a challenge or snub to anyone, really. Otherwise, anyone thinking a handgun is good for bear defense should file off the front site and lubricated really well. He took that bear with his Stalker..and a great ad for that gun was a pic of Larry standing and facing the end wall of the cabin after the storm, with the bear mounted flat on the wall. It was a statement that very few of us are in the far north, so very few of us are in the far-north areas where black bears are so much bigger, aggressive, and dangerous. The bear was just as startled as I. Hell, it wasnt even American. Alaskan Grizzly Bear Attack Demonstrates Effectiveness of .44 Magnum, How to Horrify the Mainstream Media in One Easy Step, Gun Review: Springfield Armory Ronin EMP 3 9mm 1911, https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2017/7/6/handguns-for-defense-in-bear-country/, https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/04/140415-black-bear-florida-attack-habitat-wildlife-conservation/, http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/41heavy.htm, https://leeprecision.com/mold-6-cav-c430-310-rf.html. (THIS IS A SEPARATE SUBJECT. How many you need? .375 H&H MagnumOne of the original belted, rimless magnum rifle cartridges, Holland & Hollands .375 is not only considered one of the best cartridges for hunting Africa, it also has a proven track record for lethality on large-bodied game in Canada and Alaska, including moose and bear. As Nelson has seen in bear defense training, many shooters have cycling issues with the 10mm due to the limp-wrist syndrome, something that isnt an issue with a revolver and is the last thing you want to happen during a bear charge. grains X muzzle FPS X inches /7000. I looked in the direction of Reed only to once again see the bear charging at me. Im pretty sure, he would say, the gun is only as good as the person handling it. In some cases, it may not even penetrate the bear's thick hide. He was a brave soul. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Human beings in the woods. ======================================================================. Is it fun to shoot? NOT A SHILL FOR BUFFALO BORE, REMINGTON, HORNADY OR WINCHESTER, BLACK HILLS OR OTHERS BUT JUST LIKE THE WAY THEY HAVE ALWAYS HELPED ME SELECT THE PROPER ROUND FOR THE SITUATIONS I WOULD BE IN. Actually looking for 300 grain .411 hardcast. i.e. Revolvers And Grizzly Bears - American Handgunner Best wheelgun, .44 Rem Mag $1195 at Guns.com Jump to Details Best Lever Gun Marlin Model 1895 Reliable, durable, chambered in .45-70 Government $1199 at Brownells Jump to Details Editor's Pick Rifle CZ 550 American Safari Magnum Popular for a reason, heavy hitting, .375 H&H $1299 at Palmetto State Armory Jump to Details Best Shotgun And he said nothing about thinking through the 29 reportswhich were somebody elses work, not his and making sure he understood them all the way through. One of the more powerful handguns available today, the .454 is capable of pushing a 300-grain Buffalo Bore bullet at 1650 fps with 1,813 ft.-lbs. Why the Alaskan was designed as a snubbie? 44 Magnum ammo should do the trick though! No it didn t. .44 Remington MagnumConsidered by many to be the minimum for big bear defense rounds, the .44 Remington Magnum was first introduced in 1955 for revolvers and gained widespread popularity in the 1970s thanks to Dirty Harry. Someone who hates you. NAM TAUGHT ME SH#T, SHOWER, SHAVE, SLEEP WITH WEAPON. Backpack straps and holstered guns dont get along well. Some sites would have you thinking you can kill a bear with a .45 magnum even if you did manage to hit it hours before he killed you. What matters more is the right bullet. This holster always lives on the outside of my outermost coat. I've killed big bear with one shot (usually .338 mag) but I was also in on a bear kill with my hunting partner when things didn't go well. Make sure to have several encounters. Youve been evasive, sneaky, and weak four times in a row instead of manning up and admitting that you said something that isnt true, that a bear just killed a man in Florida, which was a mistake. Grizzly bears can operate much longer that humans due to the way their circulatory system/muscles work. Because of intense interest from his family and friends, Doug wrote a detailed account of the attack and the aftermath. For me, the pros outweigh the cons enough to make a 44 magnum my choice of bear country pistols. I CARRY BEAR SPRAY FOR DOGS NOT BEARS. Unless its dead calm, you better be sure you know what direction the wind is blowing. The 44 Magnum offers several advantages over the bigger calibers especially if you pick the right firearm. Global warming? Your gun needs to be accessible and not overly retained. During the 10mm vs .44 Mag. 2. So thst you can show all the unknowable how absurd and violent they behive. It stretched from the peak of the cabin to the ground. You write em and put your name on em, you have to do that heavy lifting. You have access to the Internets, just as others do. If youre ever faced with a bear attack, youll need to know how to defend yourself. Had he chosen to come my direction, theres no telling what would have happened. Great story. The 44 Mag does have its downsides. The black bear is the only animal in the continental U.S. that can provide the average hunter a reasonably accessible opportunity to hunt dangerous game - game with fangs and claws rather than horns and hooves. No big bears. Because of this thing called real world experience. Male grizzlies will defend their territory to the death. I lived in AK for a number of years in the early 70s and whenever I went fishing I carried a .44 magnum. Your cigarettes. And they dont work well if you dont shake the cans from time to time, just like spray paint. Polar Bear Attack Stopped with Three Shots from .44 Magnum Revolver (Its the one with the 18:26 time-stamp). I doubt any bear could withstand two quick rounds from this one to the head! Mossberg 500 vs 590: Which Shotgun Is Right for You? People claim there are multiple instances where people with pistols failed to stop the attack and/or kill the bear. The more energy and penetration the better, provided you dont select a firearm thats too powerful for you to adequately manage. 1. This is a website about guns, not WebMD. So, at this point 39.53% of my life. Can a 44 Magnum kill a bear? Defense Against Bears with Pistols: 97% Success rate, 37 incidents by Now thats a first-class comment! Really the extra bullet is unlikely to matter either. It is imperative that your bear defense gun is readily available, quick to deploy and that you can place a shot on target under extreme stress. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Father Uses .44 Magnum to Shoot Grizzly Bear off Son - Tactical Atlas Along with delivered energy, we must also consider bullet weight and velocity. of energy from the muzzle. I forgot to mention it, and you should get credit where credit is due. .45-70 GovernmentFirst adopted by the U.S. military in 1873, the .45-70 Government has been one of the longest-standing big-game cartridges of all time. And whatever you do, never try to approach or touch a dead bear. A Black bear just killed a guy in Florida there, genius. WHEN IN HOUSE CHEST RIG ALWAYS ON AND PISTOL UNDER PILLOW AT NIGHT. I bothered to read the articles about last weeks the bear attack in Florida, unlike you. Caliber: .44 Magnum Barrel length: 4.125 inches Overall length: 9.6 inches Weight: 41.5 ounces Grips: synthetic Sights: front red ramp, rear adjustable white outline Action: double action Finish: polished stainless Capacity: 6 rounds Price: $949 Featured image: Doug Larson Discussion 2018 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice and link are included. In general, you should always try to avoid any conflict with bears if possible. Many bear attacks happen in brush where a shorter draw is preferable. The second and third time I used bear spray was against overly aggressive dogs. LOL . Generally speaking, though, most 44 Magnum rounds should be able to stop a black bear or grizzly in its tracks. Now do what I did when I was wrong last week. Does that (true, b.t.w.) As soon as I rounded the corner I spotted a probably 900lb brown bear, not barely 20yds away. They almost never attack . 12-Gauge SlugAccording to Nelson, the 12-gauge slug gun is by far one of the most popular choices for bear protection in the Alaskan bush. I prefer to carry a flat nose jacketed bullet. Kinda says what needs to be said comparing us to bears. Why wouldnt you choose a long-barreled gun that shoots with higher velocity, better penetration, more accuracy, less muzzle flip, less recoil, and holds one more bullet to stop a charging bear? In conclusion, using a cartridge such as the .44 Magnum is recommended when hunting black bear in order to ensure a quick and humane kill. Popular among Alaskan guides and hunters, the .375 is capable of launching a 270-grain bullet at 4,300 ft.-lbs. Anyone else? Wont take too long until you go viral. That sentence wasnt even English. Your comment here is snarky and uneducated. I dont have any particular issue with what youve said so far, but you must understand that by refusing to give any actual citation of your sources you are undermining your own argument. It depends on the situation, as well as the type of bear in question. The statistics lie with the .44 magnum as an effective handgun against a grizzly bear attack. 1) are these Alaskan hunters from Alaska? The guys got lucky.. How in the hell did our ancestors kill them with a rock tied on the end of a stick? That means having the right gear, and knowing how to use it. Craig Boddingtons new book dispels the myth that carrying a handgun in big bear country is effective in stopping a bear. Center Mass hits can disrupt the circulatory system, but science has proven that enough blood remains in a humans system that they can continue to act for up to about 10 seconds. .30-06 Springfield (180gr Nosler Partition at 2,750fps): 21.8 The result, of course, was the .50 Alaskan. in Southern Cal., I have been on many gangland shootings involving the 9mm.While it does have the necessary power to kill people, as often as not, people survive being shot with this caliber.The last call involving a 9mm, the victim was shot 15 times and was still fighting us to get up off the gurney and get some payback. If so, theyll need a no-safety, round-in-the-chamber-already handgun that doent get a longer barrel turned sideways under a billion pounds of pre-shot and still-biting-you-bear. . Now that you mention it, my wife was the one that told me Right after asking if the life insurance was up to date, It might have continued on to hit the spine, resulting in the instant collapse of the bear.. 44 mag ammo can help you do just that. .378 Weatherby Magnum (300gr FMJ at 2,925fps)(4,263 ft lbs): 47.0 To give folks working in dangerous animal country a very portable self defense tool. Underwood Extreme Penetrator test on an Actual Grizzly Skull 10mm vs 44 mag I am not sure I can perform this feat with a 450 Casull or a .460 S&W. But energy doesn't kill animals, tissue damage kills them. Likely a happy accident for them due other evolutionary happenstances, but they are around because the weaker ones arent. Let's look at those assumptions a bit closer in the following table. Even if you get a lucky shot with these freight trains that can run 35MPH it will probably still kill you before it dies. Since then, I have switched to a GunfightersINC chest holster. Our Sitemap. I had no expectation that the pistol would kill the bear. That might be the reason. Since grizzlies tend to be more aggressive than black bears, more problem encounters occur with grizzlies than other bear species. If you do encounter one, though, remember these tips: It is important to note that even if a 44 Magnum round does stop a bear in its tracks, there is still a chance that it could come back after being shot. Did you ever even bother to check on last weeks bear attack in Florida after I said you were wrong? . A bear is not a human and self-defense rounds are not as effective on a bear as you might expect. test, none of us were looking forward to running the S&W 329 PD with the Hornady 240-grain JHP loads I had brought along. Sorry, theres what you read and then theres real life. Weight X Velocity X Diameter /7000 = TKOF However, bigger is not always better in my opinion. It was the first bear attack in the region in forty years, and it didnt kill him, it slashed at him when he let his dog out and stepped outside, probably in panic that he was being attacked by a pack. These are the most vulnerable areas on a bear. Contrary to Gun Writer Myth and continuing bullshit about the Philippine Insurrection (polite world for jack booted storm trooper war of rape, pillage and conquest) Jan Liborel found that there was absolutely nothing in the U.S. Military records that indicated the .38 Colts were any less effective than the later used 45 long Colt and little used .45 acp handguns used in the conflict. Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm Auto vs 44 Mag. | Outdoor Life of energy at the muzzle. They must have been some real badasses. You can easily see in this chart how the different calibers using standard factory loads compare in delivered energy down range. They must have been some real badasses.. Wheres your manning-up and saying you were wrong, Hank? Revolvers And Grizzly Bears. As a firefighter for 25 years in a major urban dept. It isnt pleasant but I can shoot the 44 Magnum one-handed and manage a reasonable follow-up shot. One minute they may seem docile, then in an instant, their all pissed off and mad about it, How in the hell did our ancestors kill them with a rock tied on the end of a stick? I LIVE IN COLORADO BETWEEN CRAIG, CO AND BAGGS, WY. Its good to be prepared regardless how many times you visit the wilderness. Bear Gun Shootout: The .44 Magnum. And sometimes folks can save themselves with a handgun. I can spare you some. Sad! Believe it or not those that used pepper spray or just played dead survived more than those that pulled out hand guns and blazed away. Hes an intelligent and well-educated man who honestly believes his own be-afraid B.S., but its still be-afraid B.S. Having shot a 44 magnum numerous times, I can tell you that it is not one of my favorite range guns. I am not looking to go toe to toe with a Grizzly, but if I am out bow hunting or have set down my rifle to gut a deer it is far better to have a handgun that will effectively penetrate a large animal than to scramble for my rifle if I get charged. Again, Im not saying this because I necessarily disagree with you, Im saying it because it hurts your own cause. Hes read some books so hes an expert. From thegreatwhitehunter.com: When Reed distracted the bear from its attack on me, I had time to concentrate on the holster. 2. I DO GET THAT:) I think akgunner wrote a comment below the article which is more helpful than the article itself. Admit that you made a mistake, Hank, and that you were wrong, and apologize. WE HAVE WOLVES, MTN LIONS AND BEARS APLENTY AROUND MY ELK CAMP. In this case . This attack makes29 pistol defenses against bears that I have found. The 44 Magnum is a powerful handgun, but it is not powerful enough to guarantee a one-shot kill on a bear. Very few handguns can stop a 600 lb. Take a deep breath and realize this is an anonymous Internet forum. 3. They did not have a .44 magnum. For hiking and camping, I prefer a chest rig. 44 Mag against Grizzly ? | Shooters Forum DO NOT GO INTO LOT ABOUT GRAINS AND SUCH AS I THINK THESE INDIVIDUAL CHOICES BASED ON SHOOTERS PREFERENCE AND SITUATION. Some hunters also prefer to use rounds with higher grain weights, such as 440 or even 500, for larger bears. Using the Mag. You have a bone to pick with Dean and your bias is showing thru. .458 Winchester Magnum (500gr Hornady DGX at 2,140fps)(has 5083.36 ft lbs): 70.0 of energy, while the 10mm has about 728 ft.-lbs., both with a 180-grain Buffalo Bore bullet. .30-06 and.300 Win were the results. ONE DEAD HIKER EMPTIED .38 IN HIM AND CAN SEE HOW WELL THAT WORKED. . Alaskan moose hunters Doug White and Reed Thompson were working on packing out the meat and head from a successful hunt.
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